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| =-= | Topic for #wikimedia was set by timichal on June 10, 2007 5:34:45 AM |
| <kim_register> | 1197 .... |
| <kim_register> | <phew> |
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| <kim_register> | 1191 even |
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| <kim_register> | 1202... |
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| <kim_register> | 1201! |
| <kim_register> | Exactly 1200 |
| <kim_register> | O:-) |
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| <Random> | kim_register: what's this limit? |
| <kim_register> | board candidate statement |
| <Random> | can you gzip it? |
| <kim_register> | just under 1200 |
| <kim_register> | Random, why? |
| <Random> | then you could say more in less bytes |
| <Random> | or is it words? |
| <Random> | then just remove whitespace |
| <Random> | you could make your statement in german - they have fewer spaces between words naturally IIRC |
| <kim_register> | down to 700 characters |
| <Random> | it's bytes? |
| <kim_register> | if you zip it :-P |
| <Random> | compress it ;P |
| <kim_register> | yeah but it's a bit hard to read a gzipped statement ;-) |
| <Random> | md5sum it |
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| <Random> | then people can google the md5sum and find your text file |
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| <Cyde> | Just watch out for collisions, eh? |
| <kim_register> | ROTFL |
| <Anthere2> | britty, I do not think I will endorse officially anyone |
| <Anthere2> | good night |
| <kim_register> | bon nuit! |
| <LeBron> | bonne |
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| <kim_register> | ok, got the statement up now, I guess.. |
| * kim_register | looks at the instructions... |
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| <kim_register> | alright, I should probably write a dutch translation now |
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| <kim_register> | ok, are there any other things I need to do? |
| <yonatan> | heh |
| <yonatan> | "Several wikis don't use consensus" <- understatement |
| <kim_register> | O:-) |
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| =-= | DragonFire_aw is now known as DragonFire1024 |
| <DragonFire1024> | I see I have been added to endorsements :) |
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| <DragonFire1024> | thank you to whoever took care of that |
| <britty> | nope |
| <DragonFire1024> | nope? |
| <britty> | no prob |
| <britty> | you would like to start your campaign more aggresively? |
| <DragonFire1024> | indeed |
| <britty> | but not .. eh too much aggresive please |
| <DragonFire1024> | no because i don't even like campaigning |
| <DragonFire1024> | I mostly added user page messages and have left it at that |
| <DragonFire1024> | I figure if people think I deserve the position, they will vote for me |
| <britty> | DragonFire1024: point taken. you would be asked some questions from community perhaps? |
| <britty> | as well internal media, like wikizine, signpost |
| <DragonFire1024> | yes...many questions have been asked already |
| <britty> | good start, i suppose |
| <DragonFire1024> | Well I was grilled about the WMF policy (resolution on images) which was expected |
| <tawker> | DragonFire1024: the toughies |
| <tawker> | DragonFire1024: are you in favour of open books |
| <tawker> | DragonFire1024: open minutes |
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| <DragonFire1024> | whenever possible yes. Baord members are elected to do what the community cannot, therefore IMO the community has the right to know what is discussed whenever possible |
| <tawker> | define whenever possible |
| <tawker> | what would be a situation where you would not open the docs |
| <DragonFire1024> | well I understand there may be discussion involving 3rd parties that the 3rd party may not want us knowing. As much as I think that is wrong, i think we have to respect that request |
| <DragonFire1024> | as for policy discussions, aka the Image Resolution, I want to know what everyone said did and etc |
| <tawker> | how open are you to licensing the trademark |
| <tawker> | say for board games etc |
| <tawker> | say, if a major US tv network called and said, "we want to do a wikipedia tv show" - would you be open to the idea of licensing the brand |
| <DragonFire1024> | speaking in terms of a board game or PC game, well I suppose it would be ok. Although I would not place a WMF logo on anything that is not approved by WMF |
| <DragonFire1024> | and or the board |
| <DragonFire1024> | and community input |
| <DragonFire1024> | which IMO is the most important |
| <tawker> | ok |
| <tawker> | now, are you in favour of a very hands on board or an meet 4 times a year officially type one |
| <tawker> | sort of keep the foundation arms length from the projects |
| <DragonFire1024> | why not. I think it is important for the board to at some point, physically meet each other |
| <DragonFire1024> | would help in discussion of major issues |
| <tawker> | well, I'm thinking along the lines of, most boards have a max of 4 meetings a year (quarterly) and let staff handle day to day |
| <tawker> | would you be in approval of more of a "hands off" style of management |
| <DragonFire1024> | the board is the big kahuna no? |
| <DragonFire1024> | if so, then it should operate like so |
| <DragonFire1024> | the board is not a 4 day a ear type thing...its a committed job |
| <DragonFire1024> | year* |
| <tawker> | as I see it, that's the staff's job |
| <tawker> | the board's job is more or less to review and act on the recommendations of the staff |
| <DragonFire1024> | in some ways...but we grow every day |
| <tawker> | or in this case, the community |
| <DragonFire1024> | indeed...but IMO the board lately has not really listened to those "recommendations" |
| <DragonFire1024> | in terms of the community |
| <tawker> | would you agree with the statement "the board exists to ensure that the operations of the community can function by ensuring access facilities (aka servers) are provided" |
| <Random> | what's going on in here, haven't been paiyng attention since i joined the channel |
| <DragonFire1024> | yes...but IMO that statement in incomplete |
| <_syphilis_> | if the board are doing the things your staff should be doing, who's doing the board's job? |
| <DragonFire1024> | the board needs to be more involved with the communities |
| <_syphilis_> | yes it does |
| <_syphilis_> | but that doesn't mean it needs to do things itself; it needs to have a better idea of what needs to be done, so it can tell people to do those things |
| <DragonFire1024> | the bottom line is they are elected to represent us |
| <DragonFire1024> | yes |
| <DragonFire1024> | keyword: communication |
| <tawker> | next question |
| <tawker> | money, what would be your plan for the long term stability of the foundation |
| <DragonFire1024> | I also stated in my questions...Maybe, if possible, at least one maybe 2 people/contributers (depending on project size) from each project can essentially be elected to a position that would communicate with the board directly when needed and report back to the community |
| <tawker> | would you like to see WM US formed |
| <DragonFire1024> | well regularly scheduled fundraisers |
| <DragonFire1024> | no |
| <tawker> | and the WMF (intl) being formed of member chapters |
| <DragonFire1024> | the foundation comprises of users from every edge of the world |
| <DragonFire1024> | well the board is not all Americans |
| <DragonFire1024> | but as the projects grow, that is a good idea to keep in mind |
| <tawker> | indeed |
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| <Random> | what about a separate board for each project, rather than dividing by country? |
| <DragonFire1024> | that is also part of my idea of electing a few members from each project to be basically the ones who report issues and what not to the board. |
| <tawker> | if I'm reading correctly, the majority of the board is from Europe |
| <_syphilis_> | i would like to see the "developer liason" position back, except this time someone should have some idea of what it actually means |
| <_syphilis_> | (instead of appointing someone and then telling them nothing :) |
| <DragonFire1024> | or if that happens, dissolving the board...but the wikis would have to be much larger in population than now |
| <DragonFire1024> | indeed |
| <tawker> | DragonFire1024: do you have any experience in non profit or corporate management? |
| <tawker> | I'm just trying to find everyone's background |
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| <DragonFire1024> | not particularly no |
| <tawker> | would you be in favour of having a non elected corporate manager |
| <DragonFire1024> | and oops...I guess I have not been confirmed yet |
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| <_syphilis_> | "your endorsement of your own candidacy is assumed" < does this mean i really need 13 (12 others + mine), or do i only need 11 other endorsements? |
| <DragonFire1024> | possibly...if the position is needed |
| <DragonFire1024> | not sure |
| <tawker> | or someone external who could guide the board on the (rather) complex set of regulations the wmf faces |
| <DragonFire1024> | britty: not confirmed yet |
| <DragonFire1024> | tawker: If needed yes |
| <DragonFire1024> | but understand that person would be a paid employee? |
| <tawker> | potentially |
| <tawker> | often you have similar interest board members sit on each other's board |
| <DragonFire1024> | true |
| <tawker> | eg Steve Jobs on Google's, schmidt on Google's |
| <tawker> | would you be open to having say, 2 people or so from other non profits sit on the wmf board, and possibly vice versa |
| <DragonFire1024> | _syphilis_: How often is the confirmation e-mail account checked? |
| <DragonFire1024> | if the other is beneficial the the wikis yes. Especially if the goals are the same |
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| <DragonFire1024> | hi Philippe|Wiki |
| <Philippe|Wiki> | Hi DragonFire. :-) |
| <DragonFire1024> | :) |
| <_syphilis_> | DragonFire1024: i don't know. ask an election person :) |
| <DragonFire1024> | lol |
| <DragonFire1024> | thought you were :) |
| <Philippe|Wiki> | how may i be of service? :-) |
| <tawker> | DragonFire1024: do you think the foundation should be operating off an endowment fund |
| <Philippe|Wiki> | Tawker, DragonFire is in conversation w/me about confirmation - he may be a couple of minutes in responding. Not his fault, I'm demanding and bossy. |
| <DragonFire1024> | :) |
| <DragonFire1024> | define endowment fund |
| <DragonFire1024> | I am somewhat familiar with it, but I am not an expert |
| <tawker> | a large sum of money which earns interest |
| <tawker> | you operate off that interest |
| <DragonFire1024> | hmmm...sounds interesting :) at least it would have some funds secured to the foundation |
| <tawker> | would that be a priority goal, assuming under the assumption that donations could dry up at any moment |
| <DragonFire1024> | indeed |
| <DragonFire1024> | in that scenario, yes |
| <DragonFire1024> | most definitely |
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| <Philippe|Wiki> | Well, it's quite the candidate place here tonight, isn't it? |
| <DragonFire1024> | :) indeed |
| <DragonFire1024> | I enjoy when I get asked questions...assuming I can answer ;) |
| <tawker> | ok, now for the hard ones |
| <tawker> | ads |
| <tawker> | possibly opt-in..... |
| <tawker> | to say, build that endowment fund |
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| <DragonFire1024> | ads are not needed right now. If we open a company to ads, a 3rd party, how much access do they get to the servers? what is to stop them from going out of control? I mean we are talking mor ethan one or 2 ad boxes... |
| <tawker> | DragonFire1024: have you looked at the finances |
| <DragonFire1024> | not in depth |
| <DragonFire1024> | but our fundraisers do generally well...we just need more |
| <tawker> | define "well" |
| <DragonFire1024> | I am NOT against advertising on other sites maybe? |