07:31 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> moo
08:01 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> hello?
08:01 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> morning
08:01 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Good timezone. Sorry I'm late.
08:01 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> you haven't missed a thing
08:01 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <is wrestling with new software yet>
08:02 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Hello Angela, elian, effeietsanders, SabineCretela?
08:02 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> hello Amgine 
08:02 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> meeting?
08:02 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> oops, SabineCretella
08:03 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> ouch, totally forgotten
08:03 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> why that questionmark?
08:03 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Well, should be meeting, but I wasn't sure if everyone was here for that.
08:03 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> effeietsanders: amgine wants to know if we're here
08:03 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> poke poke
08:03 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> oh, i was just here, not for any scary meeting ;)
08:04 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> One person who is not here is Britty, who asked for this hour of the meeting.
08:04 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> aphaia does not appear to be online
08:04 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods>
08:04 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> So perhaps we should wait just a while longer?
08:04 #wikimedia-cc:  * NotACow objects not.
08:04 #wikimedia-cc:  * elian neither
08:04 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> hi - moment will be here in two mins
08:04 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> although you may need to call my cellphone to wake me up :)
08:05 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <laughs>
08:05 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Think about me!
08:06 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> believe me, i already contemplated that :)
08:06 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Actually, my partner's flight was cancelled last night, so I would need to be awake now anyway (and must leave this meeting early anyway.
08:06 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> Amgine: what time is it where you are?
08:06 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> 6:06 am
08:06 #wikimedia-cc:  * effeietsanders bets 1100
08:07 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> wow
08:07 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> hmmm, a few hours wrong :P
08:07 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <chuckles>
08:07 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> hmmm, i meant 900 bte
08:07 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> btw
08:08 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Mmm, that's the central timezone... that's for NotACow.
08:08 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> it's 0800 here
08:08 #wikimedia-cc:  * NotACow would prefer to still be sleeping
08:10 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5286458.stm?ls
08:10 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> what's on the agenda?
08:10 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> SabineCretella: yes, i saw that earlier.
08:11 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> But now there are suggestions that a new architecture of control will be introduced for Wikipedia as a whole, if it proves successful when it is applied to the German-language site next month, and this could have far wider implications.
08:11 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> Under the new approach, page edits will no longer be immediately applied to pages but will instead have to be approved by an administrator before they become visible. Vandalism or changes which are not approved will not appear. 
08:11 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> do these guys write how they would like to see things???
08:11 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> SabineCretella: i think they make it up as they go along
08:11 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> we need to combat that particular perception
08:11 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> I'd very much write: before writing sch stupid stuff do your homework
08:12 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> we have enough people heree to get started.  we'll pick up britty's specific agenda items if and when she makes it
08:13 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods> let me find the agenda... 
08:13 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i just found it
08:14 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> we have membership, communication improvement between other committees/operational teams, and upcomingboard elections
08:14 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Membership: I believe SabineCretella has someone for Translation?
08:14 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i'm going to hazard a guess that upcoming board elections is mainly britty's item
08:14 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Actually, no, I added that.
08:14 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> although the press releases we can draft without her assistance, i should think
08:14 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> there is jd_ and that was already discussed by e-mail
08:14 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> we would like to have him in
08:14 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods> And general approval all around.
08:15 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i didn't see any objectiosn on the list
08:15 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i think we have consensus on that point
08:15 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> nor did I
08:15 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I would like to mention he's been doing a huge amount of work on wikimediafoundation.org, and is an admin there.
08:15 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> morning WalterBE 
08:16 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> if he does a good job on the foundation website, I'd like to have him as a subcom member of promotion
08:16 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> at the moment it very much looks like an excellent job
08:17 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Walter, we just started and are talking about approving JD's membership in comcom, for sure in Translations and now also in Promotions... <grin>
08:17 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i think there is consensus for adding jd_ to promotion & translation
08:17 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> translation, yes
08:17 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> elian: he is one who does, even if he does not translate, but he cares very much about communication/translations - I can not always be there and aphaia cannot do everything
08:17 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: they're the same subcommittee :)
08:17 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> for promotion I want to wait a bit
08:17 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> NotACow: not anymore
08:17 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> elian: oh.  we need to update meta, then
08:17 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> NotACow, not under the new structure we talked about on the list.
08:17 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: i missedthat
08:17 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods> That's the agenda item two.
08:18 #wikimedia-cc:  * NotACow has been *swamped* this week
08:18 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> heh.
08:18 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> can someone quickly brief me?
08:18 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> or just summarize for all of us what the restructuring is?
08:18 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> We plan to have more strict relationships: people really need to be in a subcom to be on the comcom.
08:19 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> on that point, i was originally intending to be on internal
08:19 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> We split Promotions and Translations, mostly to focus on the physical differences.
08:19 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> That is indeed much better Amgine
08:20 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods> Since promotions does a range of things from paper layouts to web interfaces, it makes sense to separate the content from the software if you will.
08:20 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> (sorry, that's a terrible idiom for non-native english speakers.
08:20 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> heh
08:21 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> It makes sense to separate the content from the way it is being delivered.
08:21 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> We have good people who do only layout stuff ... translators are mainly not able to care about formatting (at least wiki formatting ;-)
08:21 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> makes perfect sense
08:21 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> having been a web developer in the past i know exactly how that works
08:22 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <bleahs> I used to do that; it was terrible work with a lot of stress.
08:22 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Okay are there any opposes for JD being a part of at least Translations, and thus on the comcom?
08:23 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> no oppose
08:23 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> without objection, so ordered
08:23 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods>
08:23 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> No, Welcome JD
08:23 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> he's not around :)
08:23 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> right ... but he wanted to be around today
08:23 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <grin> Next item: getting our subcommittees to communicate...
08:24 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> that one is naughty amgine
08:24 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <laughing> Yes!
08:24 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> SabineCretella: are you the "chair" of translations?
08:25 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> The person everyone on the committee is talking with?
08:25 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> no - as from the mailinglist it appears to be Aphaia
08:25 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> but she is not always here
08:25 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> so: when I can do I will just do
08:25 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> for now we are three
08:25 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> Aphaia, jd, me
08:25 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> can someone point me to the discussion of the decision to split translations and promotions?  i can't find it
08:25 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> sj is not much around lately
08:25 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i don't have a problem with it, but i'd like to read it :)
08:26 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Mmm, michael snow outlined it on the list, I think last Saturday.
08:26 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> What can be usefull is a specifc maildrop alias for every subcom. Not a mailinglist but only a maildrop. To make it more easy for the subcoms to talk or being contacted
08:26 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> NotACow: this was decided on the last meeting
08:26 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> elian: ah. ok, i missed that meeting.
08:26 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i'll find the meeting log
08:26 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> that was two weeks ago
08:27 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> last week's meeting was a washout
08:27 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> WalterBE: contact addresses, good point
08:27 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> SabineCretella: one of the things Michael talked about is to have a chair who will "report" as WalterBE suggests.
08:27 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> Amgine: that can be problematic for me - I never know what happens with kids, work etc.
08:27 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> The comcom page should include e-mail links for all members.
08:27 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> can someone please update the comcom page to reflect the current committee structure including chairs for each subcom?
08:28 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> if all listmembers have there "email this function on" that should be engough
08:28 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> SabineCretella: Could you make sure a brief report happens weekly? It doesn't have to be attending a meeting.
08:28 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> As for the chair Aphaia was suggested and I believe she likes to do it
08:28 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> aphaia seems reasonable for translations chair
08:29 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> pending her acceptance, of course
08:29 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> if she has no time, it's enough that she tells me and then I can substitute her for that - but I cannot promise ... 
08:29 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods> I agree; the acceptance is the thing I'm concerned about.
08:29 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> I talked with her  some days ago about this and she wanted to accept
08:29 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Okay SabineCretella.
08:29 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> I'll tell her
08:29 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> to tell you
08:29 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> if she refuses you can have it, SabineCretella :)
08:29 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> NotACow: was that not only a suggestions and not allready agreed to have "chairs" for a subcom of sometimes 3 people?
08:29 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> WalterBE: we need the structure
08:30 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> NotACow ... I would just do it until we find someone better
08:30 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> someone needs to be responsible for each subcommittee's activity and the report back to the full committee
08:30 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> Yes, absolutly
08:30 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> NotACow: I'll update the page after this meeting.
08:30 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> who has less problems in terms of time 
08:31 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Internal... WalterBE, I know Flcelloguy and zocky are also active, and NotACow is trying to become active, and yourself.
08:31 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> For now please leave Aphaia as proposed - she'd understand it wrong if we write "temporarily"
08:31 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i seem to do a lot of the communication with enwiki
08:32 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> which is not a pleasant job, thanks to Certain Admins there who distrust/dislike the foundation
08:32 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Can the four of you talk about who has time to do the chair position?
08:32 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> first, any objection to my being on internal?
08:32 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> NotACow: not from me
08:32 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Ah, yes. Not just objections though.
08:33 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I'd like you on internal, but you will need to work cross languages as well as cross projects.
08:33 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> well, i can do what i can, given my limited language skills
08:34 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i am not volunteering to chair
08:34 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods> Who the chair will be is somewhat up to the subcommittee.
08:34 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> I wanted to have michael as chair, given he has the best diplomatic skills
08:34 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> but he refused
08:35 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <grin> We got him as comcom chair mostly because we didn't let him refuse.
08:35 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> as he is already chair of comcom itself
08:35 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> *laugh*
08:35 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> Not an objection but more now I notice that the home wiki of 3 of the internal subcom members is the EN wikipedia
08:35 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> yes, he is and should remain comcom chair
08:36 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> That's an important point, WalterBE.
08:36 #wikimedia-cc:  * NotACow is spending more time on commons and on en.wiktionary these days, if that's any consolation :)
08:36 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Should we be attempting to recruit more people who are from other languages, and other projects?
08:37 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> At this point I do not think that is good idea
08:37 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> Amgine: as for translation, I'd like to involve some more people from the small wikipedias
08:37 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> WHen you are with few people you can arrange things relative easly
08:37 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> maybe this would be good also for other sectors
08:37 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods> All right SabineCretella: I have a couple of possible candidates for you.
08:38 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods with WalterBE>
08:38 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> when there is structure and organisation of the comcom , then maybe
08:38 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> lets get our own house in order before we call for boarders :)
08:39 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> For Internal, I would suggest Internal continue to discuss their organization.
08:40 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I think, NotACow you are a good candidate for Internal membership; especially since I have been looking at your work on Wiktionary.
08:40 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Are there any objections to NotACow being on the Internal subcom?
08:41 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> none, so moved, etc.
08:41 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Next agenda item: Press releases regarding the elections
08:42 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> Amgine: what do you plan?
08:42 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I was really hoping we could talk with Aphaia here about this... but I was thinking it might be a useful idea to tell the media that we're doing this.
08:42 #wikimedia-cc:  * elian thinks one press release in the end should be enough
08:43 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> one press release seems appropriate.
08:43 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods> I was thinking from a public relations sort of thing: "Look, Wikipedia even elects its own Board of Trustees"
08:43 #wikimedia-cc:  * mindspillage nods
08:43 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> do we mention the board expansion issue?
08:43 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> no
08:43 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> I would not do that now
08:43 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Mmm, I wouldn't.
08:44 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> neither would i, but i thought it worth discussing :)
08:44 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> :-)
08:44 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Mostly we want a press release focused on one simple topic, not a complex one.
08:44 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> the press release should include a suitable photo of the winner
08:44 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i'm concerned that someone will notice that the board is minority-elected and make an issue of it
08:45 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> do we need a pre-election release?
08:45 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I would prefer not
08:45 #wikimedia-cc:  * NotACow hopes that she isn't the winner, then, because she has no suitable photos.
08:45 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> NotACow: I need a photo from you now, anyway
08:45 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> elian: ask greg!
08:45 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> The reason is that if we have a pre-election we may have a flood of people upset because they cannot vote.
08:45 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> he took bloody well enough of me
08:45 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: good point.
08:45 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> Amgine: agreed
08:45 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> Amgine: if we now say ""Look, Wikipedia even elects its own Board of Trustees" and later in the year the board decideds to appoint several new board members without an election will that not look stupid?
08:46 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> WalterBE: press has sometimes a short memory
08:46 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> NotACow: I can arrange to have a good set of portraits for you.
08:46 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> elian: actually the one i like best is, ironically, the one they're using on wikitruth.  but i don't know where they got it from.
08:46 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> it's from the arbcom panel, which leads me to suspect that it's a wikimedian's photograph, but i haven't found the source
08:47 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I wil start working on a draft of the press release on comcom.wikimedia.org in the coming week.
08:48 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> wonderful
08:48 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I am assuming we will want a couple of quotable quotes, hopefully from JWales, Angela, and the successful candidate as well as a good backgrounder so journalists do not need to research too much.
08:49 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> Amgine: don't wait for quotes - invent them and let them approve
08:50 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> except maybe for the successful candidate
08:50 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> The candidates who make any change have already a lot of information on there user page I believe
08:50 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <laughs>
08:50 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> I like that one elian :-) will remember it for the next time I have to write something
08:51 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Speaking of which, I should probably do a quick synopsis of press issues this past week.
08:51 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> The press also invents quotes so it is not so bad to invend them ourself
08:52 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> We have a series of news articles regarding US politicians/candidates warring on Wikipedia. 
08:52 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Mostly these have been positive about Wikipedia, negative about US politics.
08:53 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> we did impose a new policy on enwiki regarding congressional edits
08:53 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> We have had one unfortunate situation with Mr Wales; he has had to pull out of the nl Wikimedia event due to transpotation issues.
08:54 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> Amgine: was this covered in the press?
08:54 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> The de article versioning topic which Mr Wales brought up in a CNet interview is having some bad press as well.
08:54 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> blocks of congress (and of other governmental bodies) are required to be reported to comcom.  we need to designate how people are to make that report.
08:54 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> NotACow: cool thing
08:54 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> elian: I have had one press question about it, but I don't know if it is being reported in nl press.
08:55 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> Amgine: dutch press?
08:55 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> for now, they're mainly reporting to me
08:55 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> hmm, probably not newsworthy
08:55 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I have not heard, elian.
08:55 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> and i forward to amgine
08:55 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> but it may affect press coverage of the dutch event
08:55 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> eiaway would know more... <grin>
08:55 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> NotACow: editing a wiki page on meta may be the best way... (and we watch the page to get email notification -- I really love that that has been turned on on meta)
08:55 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> mindspillage: that's probably best.
08:55 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> NotACow: could you update us on mywikibiz and any related issues as well?
08:56 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> elian: not much has happened recently
08:56 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> there is a pending request for arbitration; community consensus is absent on how to deal with him
08:56 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> and the arbcom appears unwilling to take up the matter
08:56 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> it should be a general habit of the projects to report possible news topics to comcom
08:56 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Is the user still editing/creating articles NotACow?
08:57 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: i have not looked in the past few days.
08:57 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> he was blocked for a week for using AfD to promote his business
08:58 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods>
08:58 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> he has not edited (other than his talk page) since 21 august; not in article space since 20 aug.
08:59 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Thanks. I'd like the dopplegangers watched as well. I still think he has employees using the one account.
08:59 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> his block expires in two days
08:59 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> I believe he is currently serving a 7-day block.
08:59 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> Yes.,
08:59 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> reading the comments on the RfAr page, i would say that there is no consensus in the community as to how he should be treated
08:59 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> But I have had a report of a similar occurrence on de; a company advertising they can get placement in de.wp.
08:59 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> quite a few people feel that it's Jimbo's problem and that Jimbo should deal with it
09:00 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> Amgine: from whom?
09:00 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> NotACow: He is waiting for a clear guidance from the community. If the ArbCom has a consensus of opinion, he would likely implement that.
09:00 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: yes, that would be very jimbo.
09:01 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> Amgine: I haven't heard about it on de
09:01 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> A german reader of Wikinews, elian.
09:01 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i believe that he will be allowed to edit when his block expires, but that he will be watched very closely
09:01 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Said it was beign talked about on the PR blogs in Germany.
09:01 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> Amgine: can you forward me this?
09:02 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Mmm, it was in IRC. I don't think I can find it on de blogs; but Presroi probably can.
09:02 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Also, try asking SonicR
09:02 #wikimedia-cc:  * mindspillage is not sure the arbcom rejecting it is the best course of action; I'd not be surprised if Jimbo wanted the community to handle it internally so it doesn't appear that he is doing whatever happens by fiat.
09:02 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> mindspillage: i'm certain that jimbo intends for the comminity to handle it
09:03 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> mindspillage: imo the arbcom should either take the case or reject it with a message directing the community to develop a consensus
09:03 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> For this committee, however, it's mostly a case of keeping us informed of issues which may come up  in the press.
09:03 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> arbcom needs to make it clear that this is not "in Jimbo's court"
09:04 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> we can talk about this more on arbcom-l or wikipedia-en-arbcom later :)
09:04 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I hope everyone is aware that I consider you *all* to be press contacts, and I may (and have) sent journalists to speak with you.
09:04 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> just a note: tropical storm ernesto does include tampa in its possible path
09:05 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> one more membership issue
09:05 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <looks thoughtfully at SabineCretella> Which reminds me... We had a journalist at Wikimania who is planning an article about Neapolitan Wikipedia.
09:05 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Yes?
09:05 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> I asked arne klempert aka akl to participate in the promotion subcom
09:05 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: i assume you saw the NYT article about the swahili guy.
09:06 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> he has agreed
09:06 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> any opposition to add him to comcom?
09:06 #wikimedia-cc:  * WalterBE No idea who he is
09:06 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> future CEO of wikimedia germany
09:06 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: mywikibiz does have socks, but they have not edited since he was banned.
09:07 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> No, url for the NYT article please.
09:07 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> Amgine: Neapolitan Wikipedia?
09:07 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> and second press contact of de (as such he should be on the list anyway)
09:07 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> Hmmm ....
09:07 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/26/arts/26wiki.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=technology&adxnnlx=1156572670-r3fFwb68Mb0pqjvqoPcAUw
09:07 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Arne is already on my list, yes.
09:07 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> SabineCretella: Italian journalist.
09:07 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> jimbo's visit to india also generated press
09:07 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> lemme go find that
09:08 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> okay, then I'll add him to comcom.
09:08 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> Well: he'll find us if he really wants
09:08 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> elian: I'm very supportive of Arne, but will de.wikimedia let us steal his time? <grin>
09:08 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> But if you add him must not all heads of the chapters be on the comcom?
09:08 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I will send out a reminder to her, SabineCretella.
09:08 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> WalterBE: no
09:09 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Arne is an excellent designer, WalterBE.
09:09 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> he is not head of a chapter, anyway
09:09 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> ok, fine, just asking
09:09 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> http://www.contentsutra.com/21986 <- jimbo's visit to india gets a paragraph about two screens down
09:09 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I would love for him to help out on some of the interface items...
09:09 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> I wanted to steal their treasurer, too, but he refused
09:10 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <laughs>
09:10 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I'm surprised Arne agreed; he's always busy when I try to get in touch with him.
09:11 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> sansculotte was tempted as well, but he has a new job and just moved to another city
09:11 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> So Cohen finally filed an article from Wikimania....
09:11 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> coming back to an issue i mentioned earlier...
09:12 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i have an offer from one of the enwiki bot freaks to set up a bot to automatically notice blocks and edits from certain IP ranges (e.g. congress) on a meta page.
09:12 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> Amgine: no, was not covered by the press. Btw, you get now another excuse of Jimbo. What's the "official" ons? :S
09:12 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> *one
09:13 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> NotACow: that would be good.
09:14 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> effeietsanders: It was scheduling.
09:14 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i will set up a couple of subpages on meta for the manual and automatic reporting of congressional blocks and edits
09:14 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> this is mainly of interest to press, since they're the ones who get asked the questions
09:14 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> Amgine: he told me that he "found his schedule to busy"
09:14 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> NotACow: What page?
09:14 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> *too
09:15 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> so that's the one anyway?
09:15 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: i don't know yet, i'll let you know when i figure it out :)
09:15 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> effeietsanders: give the guy a break...
09:15 #wikimedia-cc:  * effeietsanders was reading back and saw "transportantion issues" , what confused him
09:15 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods @ effeietsanders> He couldn't travel to and from nl and the other committments.
09:15 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i'm going to amend the blockip message on enwiki to point to the subpage on meta, and ask voa or tawker if they can implement the bot feature for me
09:15 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> elian: i would like to know what i have to tell people :)
09:16 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> NotACow: Joshbuddy?
09:16 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> who's joshbuddy?
09:16 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> The person who actually codes Tawkerbot2.
09:17 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: ah.
09:17 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> tawkerbot is the bot which reverts legitimate changes as vandal edits?
09:17 #wikimedia-cc:  * NotACow giggles
09:17 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> elian: yes.
09:17 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <grins> Sometimes...
09:17 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> the one jimbo blocked a while back
09:18 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> indeed, sometimes. Though human vandalfighters are often just as bad...
09:18 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> and you let it run free again?
09:18 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> It is no worse than the humans...
09:18 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> mindspillage: or even worse; bots don't leave nasty messages and then get into revert wars over removing them from the tlak page.
09:18 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> elian: it catches about 60% of the vandals.
09:18 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> true.
09:18 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> my heart yearns for stable versions :)
09:18 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> yes.
09:19 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> the impact that stable versions will have on enwiki cannot be understated
09:19 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Let de test it... don't joggle their elbows.
09:19 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> agenda item: kicking brion
09:19 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> yes, yes :)
09:19 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> why are we kicking brion this week?
09:19 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Brion will be implementing SUL after the elections.
09:19 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> elian: what is the current timeframe on de implementation?
09:19 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> NotACow: to hurry with the stable version
09:19 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> After SUL, de article versioning.
09:19 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> so we're looking at sometime in october
09:20 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> wikimedia looks very silly, announcing it again and again
09:20 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> we need to draft some notifications for SUL
09:20 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> We did, last spring.
09:20 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> But yes, we need to dust it off and work on it again.
09:20 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> have they been reviewed for accuracy lately?
09:20 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> heh.
09:20 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> they will need to be broadly translated
09:21 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods>
09:21 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> what about a public press release?
09:21 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> worth mentioning?
09:21 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Yes, it is.
09:21 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> yes
09:21 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> we are also going to need to do a global sitenotice
09:21 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I need to get into press release writing mode.
09:22 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> btw, I recently saw that we announce a press release list on the foundation press room
09:22 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> has this list ever been used? archives are empty
09:23 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> It has never been used.
09:23 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> The question is how it should be used.
09:23 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I could add all the press addresses I have to it.
09:23 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> how many subscibers does it have?
09:23 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> And we could do press releases in many languages via the one list.
09:24 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I believe I've added 3 or 4; not very many.
09:24 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> But I have several hundreds of e-mail addresses.
09:24 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/admin/wm-pressr-l
09:25 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> Amgine: have you added them to arne's distribution software?
09:25 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Some of them.
09:26 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I'm trying to get a central CRM set up for all of WMF, so we do not have multiple lists maintained by dozens of different organizations.
09:27 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> there are only the two I know of
09:27 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Currently we're supposedly going to be using CiviCRM, but I've been told not to put things there permanently.
09:27 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I know of 6.
09:27 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> tell me
09:27 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Some of which are kept on wikis.
09:27 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> *sigh*
09:28 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Basically, every project which has developed a press group is maintaining their own lists.
09:28 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> So I'm sure there are more which I am not aware of.
09:29 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I have 4 press addresses in the wmf-pressr-l, and 3 wikimedians.
09:30 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> who has an own list?
09:30 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> But we're wandering away from the agenda, and I have to leave somewhat soon.
09:30 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> For the Dutch Wikipedia NL user Waerth has his own list with press contacts
09:30 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> okay, back to the agenda, but we have to solve this issue sometime
09:30 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> ja, nl, sv, de, en, fr, and swiss.
09:31 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> We've covered the agenda.
09:31 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> de, pl, fr, en and sv addresses are in the presseverteiler
09:31 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> and swiss as well
09:31 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> gah
09:31 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Not all. Even the nl wiki page has more than pressverteiler
09:32 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i don't think i have anything to add
09:32 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> that i haven't already added
09:33 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Suggest meeting adjourn?
09:33 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> seconded!
09:33 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <grin>
09:34 #wikimedia-cc:  * elian returns to writing candidate portraits
09:35 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> elian: i found the image that i'd prefer for now; it's one of andrew lih's
09:35 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> at least until greg finds one of me that doesn't look like i've just been given a lemon enema
09:37 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <grins>
09:37 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> Site note: you can now upload open document files to the comcom wiki.  A file like a "tgz" still does not work.
09:38 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> NotACow: give me the link?
09:38 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> elian: http://flickr.com/photos/fuzheado/209338628/
09:38 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> needs to be cropped
09:39 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> and i need a statement from andrew that he's willing to license those images -- as of yet he hasn't uploaded them to commons or indicated any licensing
09:39 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> NotACow: can you give me your email adress please? I am setting up a maildrop for the internal subcom
09:40 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> WalterBE: kelly.lynn.martin@gmail.com
09:40 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> WalterBE: what kind of maildrop?
09:41 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> Very basic. You send an email to one specific email adress and it is forwarded to several other email adresses
09:41 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> hmmm
09:41 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> sorry, that's not good
09:41 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Walterbe: I can get .tgz enabled, but that will be difficult because it is a security risk.
09:42 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> it should be run over otrs to that we can keep track of communications
09:43 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> if all current members of internal left, the foundation has no possibility to find out what has been sent to this address
09:43 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> Amgine: it is not the I need to upload tgz-files but it  only that it can be usefull to be abel to share some files.  
09:43 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> NotACow: check the licensing there.
09:44 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> WalterBE: yes, but tar/compressed formats are often used maliciously, so devs do not like them.
09:44 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: which licensing where?
09:45 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> If you look on flickr, lower right corner, there will be a licensing link.
09:46 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> yes, I know. So the only way to work is to upload them on some private public webspace do get your work done because the devs are not co-operation
09:47 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: the only licensing listed is "all rights reserved"
09:47 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> We've enabled a lot of file formats on comcom; I can ask for more formats to be enabled.
09:47 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> NotACow: <grumble> Ask him, he will relicense (he was being lazy, I'll bet)
09:48 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> Then it would be usefull to post on the wiki that list
09:48 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: i'll have to soon
09:48 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I gotta run... 
09:48 #wikimedia-cc:  * NotACow needs to get some other stuff done
09:48 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Will be on many hours from now.
09:50 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> elian: what do you mean by OTRS for this? The only thing that I want to do is make it easy for internsubcom members to contact all the other subcom members. It is more easy to have one forward emailadress then to send an email manualu to several specific email adresses.
09:51 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> whoops ... Amgine left ... and I had a quetion for him
09:51 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> maybe you can help me
09:51 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> time ago he gave me the access data for the website where I can add the two press contacts for Neapolitan
09:51 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> the other day I wanted to access and the link I have here does not work
09:52 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> http://journowiki.org/brim/
09:52 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> is that the right one?
09:52 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> WalterBE: why can't you use the general comcom list? we don't have so much traffic
09:53 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> if every subcom starts their own private list, we'll get an even bigger communication problem as we have now
09:54 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> we need less fragmentation of communication, not more
09:54 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> don't build silos.
09:54 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> well: I wrote a mail to the comcom list about that
09:55 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> why not use specific tags in the title of the mail
09:55 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> so PRESS is press related TRANS is translation related etc
09:55 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> filtering is much easier that way
09:55 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> elian: I you want to discuss something with 4 people it will not be helpful to send it to 15 people
09:56 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> WalterBE we often have such stuff on a list with 2000 people
09:56 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> WalterBE: people don't have to say something in a discussion which doesn't concern them
09:56 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> we discuss about a term, software etc in three or fourr
09:56 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> but they can read the postings and be informed
09:58 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> the problem with overly fragmented communication is that people are not adquately informed.
09:59 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> the only reason for having separate lists at all is to control volume
09:59 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> frankly i'd like to have a summary of the discussion on each of the other committee's lists posted once a week
09:59 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i have no idea what special projects is up to, for example
09:59 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> The current comcom setup does not really work. If I would do it like you say, use the general list to try to get something useful done it will certainly not work. But is you wish we can try it. Can be funny actually.
10:00 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> NotACow: that's internal subcom's task to kick everybody to provide reports
10:00 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> as I see it
10:00 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> gather information and spread information
10:01 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> elian: yes, i agree.
10:01 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> we need to either get somoene on each commmittee to do it, or recruit people to do it for them
10:01 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> hmmm .... I see this as an almost impossible task to do - you will need people who care about only that or do not work
10:02 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> NotACow: it's not as difficult. one problem is that most committees only report to the board, if at all
10:02 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> but for example chapcom collects reports from the chapters and kicks people there
10:02 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> so they already do part of the work
10:05 #wikimedia-cc: < WalterBE> to problem i have with the comcom is that is no clear structure, procedure or mandate for the comcom members.
10:15 #wikimedia-cc: < eiaway> SabineCretella: that database is down atm afaik
10:15 #wikimedia-cc: < eiaway> that db with those contacts
10:16 #wikimedia-cc: < eiaway> but the link looks familiar
10:16 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> ah ok thank you eiaway
10:16 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> so I will try some other time
10:16 #wikimedia-cc: < eiaway> or ask amgine to repair it ;)
10:17 #wikimedia-cc: < SabineCretella> hmmm ... I'll send him a mail 
10:18 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> is amgine now the only person taking care of the press queue in otrs? :S
10:27 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> effeietsanders: i think mark p. still works it as well
10:28 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> and maybe david gerard as well
10:29 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> ah yes, in the past three weeks i see his name three times yes
10:29 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> mark P's
10:29 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> not david's
10:29 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> although you're never sure, as tickets might have been moved
10:29 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> but mostly amgine :)
10:32 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> mark only grabs tickets that will feed his ego to respond
10:33 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> oh, well, that wasn't nice of me
10:33 -!- Irssi: #wikimedia-cc: Total of 8 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 8 normal]
10:33 #wikimedia-cc: < effeietsanders> :P
10:33 #wikimedia-cc:  * elian giggles
10:34 #wikimedia-cc:  * NotACow goes to answer questions from flcelloguy
14:39 #wikimedia-cc: < presroi> hi
22:24 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> sorry for absence; I was in bed ...
22:24 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> *brush"
22:26 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> moo
22:26 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> britty: excusable under the circumstances :)
22:27 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> thx
22:28 #wikimedia-cc:  * mindspillage waves
22:31 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> (again) sorry for absence; I failed to keep awake ...
22:31 #wikimedia-cc:  * britty missed the liturgy too
22:32 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> quite all right. :-)
22:32 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> Ah, I don't think anyone sent the log to the list yet...
22:39 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Go to bed, elian...
22:40 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> es ist schon dir spaet  ..
22:41 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> vor 3 uhr oder?
22:49 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> hmm
22:49 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> can't sleep
22:49 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> hotmilk or camomile?
22:50 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> my boyfriend just made another pot of black tea
22:50 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Mmm, you're not a guy, so I can't make the crude comment which springs to mind.
22:50 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> ihr habt keinen recht  
22:50 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> Amgine: what would be the crude comment?
22:50 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> black tea is not helpful to sleep imo
22:50 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> now I am curious ;-)
22:51 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> heh... Amgine, now you have to explain it. :-)
22:51 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Well, with a guy... uhm, after the show is over, he falls asleep.
22:51 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> lol
22:51 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <should never start these jokes in a channel full of women>
22:51 #wikimedia-cc:  * britty was reminded on a similar idea as former married woman
22:52 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> btw elian you are in norway?
22:52 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> no, germany
22:53 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> haha, wow, one of the few Wikimedia channels that is mostly full of women.
22:53 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <gets the honorary XX badge>
22:53 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> cock in a nest, I learned so in germany
22:53 #wikimedia-cc:  * elian counts the women in the channel
22:53 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> unbelievable
22:54 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> 6:2
22:55 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <laughs> 75
22:55 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> %
22:56 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> I often note that when I'm involved with a group which is actually accomplishing things, the percentage is usually much more even/in favour of the women than in the normal group.
22:56 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> tonight I won't accomplish anything anymore
22:57 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Well, we could tell dirty jokes until we make britty blush.
22:58 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> I just had an ennerving discussion about wikiversity
22:58 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Ah! you too?
22:58 #wikimedia-cc: < mindspillage> I've been in groups of all women that were simply useless... so it's not a universal. :-)
22:58 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> <nods>
22:59 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> Amgine: you too?
22:59 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Well, I sort of stirred things up today.
22:59 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> in which way?
22:59 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Did you know the SPCom created a subcommittee to create the Wikiversity site in March?
23:00 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> Amgine: lovely
23:00 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> no
23:00 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> does anyone have a summary of what spcomm did/said in its meeting today?
23:00 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Not to check if it was a good project, but to "facilitate the creation"
23:00 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> my opinion on this is: the foundation fucked up. gravely.
23:00 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> It was entirely staffed by Wikiversity proponents.
23:01 #wikimedia-cc: < elian> and then?
23:02 #wikimedia-cc: < elian_> *grumble*
23:02 #wikimedia-cc: < elian_> what did I miss?
23:02 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Well, they set up the project. Apparently there was a vote on wiki, with 7 approvals.
23:03 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> keine
23:03 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> And only one abstention.
23:03 #wikimedia-cc: < elian_> and no oppose?
23:03 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> No oppose.
23:03 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> wait the vote took how long?
23:03 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> But no one will tell me *who* voted.
23:03 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> *sorry gramatical errors"
23:03 #wikimedia-cc: < elian_> transparency issues
23:04 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i just nagged for a summary of the events of the meeting on foundation-l
23:04 #wikimedia-cc: < elian_> but does it matter? how many member does spcom have?
23:04 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> 10
23:04 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> btw, someone needs to summarize todays' comcom meeting
23:04 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> ME
23:04 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> Yah, has anyone got a log?
23:04 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> i have logs
23:05 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> summary and log
23:05 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> both
23:05 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> later I will read the log but not now 
23:05 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> britty: the log is useful but the summary is far more important
23:05 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> indeed
23:05 #wikimedia-cc: < britty> and anthere will be displeased with only the log
23:05 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> as well she should.
23:06 #wikimedia-cc: < NotACow> michael normally writes the summaries, but he is out this week
23:06 #wikimedia-cc: < Amgine> The synopsis is: Jd_ and NotACow are now part of the comcom, as members of the Translation and Internal committees.